
There’s a scene in Joker: Folie à Deux where Arthur and Lee are performing live on stage in a fantasy scene. Arthur rambles on how he doesn’t feel like they are giving the people what they want. Lee proceeds to say, “Come on, baby, let’s give the people what they want!” And instead of it leading to an exciting performance and musical number as the people would likely want, the next thing that happens is Lee shoots Arthur out of no where and then the scene is over. If you think that sounds like a spoiler for Joker 2, it’s not. Because that’s basically the entire movie in a nutshell.

The original Joker was one of the most bizarrely controversial films in recent memory. When it came out back in 2019, you basically had two opposing viewpoints about the movie. You had one side of the coin that was scared that it was gonna bring out the “wrong side” of the moviegoing public and fandom, leading to a repeat of the Aurora theater shooting that took place in 2012. Then you had the other side of the coin that wanted to use this film and it’s success as a means to “stick” it to “woke” media, as some sort of cultural war victory for straight white males. If you ask me, I didn’t see the original Joker as either one of those things at all.
It wasn’t the groundbreaking “anti-PC” masterpiece that it’s supporters were propping it up as nor the incel empowerment fantasy that it’s haters were trying to make it as. At it’s heart, the original Joker made for a pretty good “what if” scenario if someone dared to make an origin story based off a famous comic book character that is the LAST person in the world who should have an origin story. Yes, it was definitely a derivative mix of Martin Scorsese movies (A.K.A. The King of Comedy meets Taxi Driver) and Batman lore but it was well-made, well-acted, and entertaining enough that it could overcome that for me.
If you also take into the fact that the movie ended up grossing a billion dollars, nominated for a bunch of Oscars, winning some Oscars (For Best Actor and Best Original Score to be exact), and that the film never really caused an uprising of glorified incels or deplorables of any kind, you would think that director Todd Phillips would have every reason to ignore all that outrage and see the film as a success. However, if Joker 2 is anything to go by, it seems Mr. Phillips have managed to side with the haters of his supposed magnum opus.

Joker: Folie à Deux (I’m just gonna call it Joker 2 after this!) is perhaps the most self-loathing, neglect driving mainstream film I’ve seen in quite some time. It’s the kind of film that basically is ashamed of everything that it seems to dip it’s toes into. It’s ashamed of being a comic book/superhero film, it’s ashamed of being a musical, it’s ashamed of being a court house drama, it’s ashamed of being a commentary on mental illness, it’s ashamed of being a Joker sequel, and worst of all, it’s ashamed of it’s own mere existence. It’s not just strictly a pointless sequel that didn’t need to exists, it’s also a pointless sequel that the film ITSELF doesn’t want to exist either.
The only goal that Toad Phillips has in mind throughout the film’s entire two hour and 15 minute long runtime is to lecture the kind of folks that idolized Joker as a hero from the first film and assumed all along that Homelander in The Boys was the real hero of that show. Outside of some impressive technical achievements and solid performances, Joker 2 has nothing going for it at all. It is a film that’s not only made for no one but it’s PROUD of the fact that it’s not made for any one. Not even director Todd Phillips himself.
Premise: Taking place two years after the events of the first film, Arthur Fleck ( Joaquin Phoenix) is institutionalized at Arkham, awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. It’s during his time there that Arthur really starts to wonder if Arthur Fleck and the Joker are two separate things, questioning if it was the “Joker” half that was responsible for committing the murders he did and NOT Arthur Fleck himself. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love with a woman named Harleen “Lee” Quinzel (Lady Gaga), but also finds the music that’s always been inside him.

The main selling points for Joker 2 had to do with going down a more musical route and getting a talented musician/actress herself in Lady Gaga to portray the iconic Harleen Quinzel. All the while answering questions of the aftermath of the first movie, that basically amounts to addressing the bizarre controversy that it got. Those elements in of itself aren’t the worst ideas ever but the way that Joker 2 goes about those ideas doesn’t do the film any favors whatsoever. Because no matter what you are coming to this sequel with the clown prince of crime for, you are likely not going to be satisfied.
Were you hoping to see Joker in his prime and on top of crime in Gotham City? Well, too bad! Instead, we are just gonna have him rot in the Arkham Asylum and court horse for the majority of the movie, where Arthur is barely the Joker at all until a random song number appears or when the plot requires it.
Were you hoping for a romantic musical that adds depth and nuance to the relationship of Joker and Harley Quinn than ever before? Well, too bad! Instead, we are going to insert these musical numbers in the most awkwardly ways possible that barley advances the plot and characters while grinding the pacing to a screeching halt every time they come up! Oh, and we aren’t actually gonna call it a musical even though it’s CLEARLY a musical because…….comic book fans hate musicals and that could ruin the pre-release marketing.
Were you hoping this would at least set up a Joker 3 which sees Joker meeting Batman for the first time ever? Well, too bad! Instead, we will have this entire film build up to a conclusion that tears down the entire foundation of this franchise, have it feel like nothing was accomplished and basically makes a Joker 3 literally impossible! No Robert Pattinson or Christian Bale Batman in Joker 3 for you!

At it’s core, Joker 2 basically acts as an epilogue to the first movie instead of a progressive sequel. Similar to M. Night Shyamalan’s infamous Glass (another sequel that didn’t really need to exist), we see the film’s protagonist being put in a position where he can’t be a threat or curiosity to the audience or anyone around him in the movie.
It’s been two years passed and EVERYONE knows the issues he has and the potential threats he could cause, which makes nearly every scene in Arkham Asylum and courthouse tedious to sit through. Much like Glass, Joker 2 spends the majority of it’s runtime obsessing over irrelevant questions of the state of mind that are basically designed to kill any source of ambiguity that it’s predecessor(s) had and beat you over the head with what Todd Phillips is trying to say about the response that his previous film got.

To be sure, Joker 2‘s biggest sin isn’t necessarily the fact that it choses to go against the grain and defy expectations. After all, we are in an age where we are seeing comic book/superhero movies take a bit of a decline and it’s always welcome to spice things up to make the subgenre stand out better in the long run. However, not only does Joker 2 find ZERO material of it’s own to fill in those expected gaps but it doesn’t find any real reason or purpose for doing so other than to just troll the audience and make sure they do NOT demand a Joker 3.

If there’s any saving grace to this motion picture, that would be with the technical achievements. The film looks gorgeous, capturing the aesthetic and feel of it’s setting very well, with fantastic cinematography by returning cinematographer Lawrence Sher. The costumes and make-ups effects are inspired, even if it’s used effectively less than the first film. The score by Hildur Guðnadóttir isn’t nearly as impressive and immersive as the first one but it gets the job done, even if it doesn’t help the musical numbers stand out. I would imagine if Joker 2 somehow is able to get nominated for anything at the Oscars this time around, it might as well be for production design and technical achievements. After all, Suicide Squad of all movies was able to win an Oscar.

Joaquin Phoenix is still solid as Arthur Fleck but he feels much more restricted this time around, not getting a chance to stand out as well as the first film. Due to Phillips wanting to strap the Joker of his makeup this time around, you never really get to see Phoenix go into full Joker form like I imagine most fans wanted. Instead of taping into that unhinged, fearful, and funny mindset of the Joker that the ending of the first film teased, he basically is given no choice but to act as the sad and broken man that Arthur is and not so much as the crown prince of crime. Even when he is given a chance to go full Joker during a scene at a court house, he doesn’t come across as scary or disturbing but just annoying and obnoxious. I don’t blame Phoenix for this but the direction that Phillips choose to take with the titled character here really holds him back from being the true Joker we all know and love.

Lady Gaga’s Harley Quinn (or I’m sorry Lee) fairs much worse here. While Gaga does the best she can and is clearing singing her heart out whenever she needs to, she isn’t given much to do here other than to sing and be a Joker fangirl. She doesn’t resemble anything that fans have loved about the character of Harley Quinn other than being mindlessly in love with Mr. J, once again proving just how much Phillips seems to just detest these characters and the superhero movie subgenre in general. Her and Phoenix don’t gel as well together as they should because their relationship comes across as a complete afterthought to everything else happening here, only appearing together when Arthur needs motivational support. That’s not even mentioning the large amount of trailer footage with her that was cut from the finished film. It’s baffling how the one aspect that Joker 2 should have gotten right easily, it bungles it spectacularly.

Joker 2 is by and large the worst kind of sequel. Not only because it’s one that clearly hates it’s predecessor and it’s audience but it hates itself. It’s only exists because the first film made a billion dollars and was nominated for a bunch of Oscars. Because of that, we get a sequel that basically undoes everything that the first film established. Not by accident but strictly ON purpose!
The story and direction are non-existent, the musical segments are tedious and comes across as a distraction, the court house scenes are nonsensical and a chore to sit through, the romance between Arthur and Lee is barley explored, the Joker himself is hardly in it, and it all leads to an ending that makes the two Joker films feel utterly pointless.
This is almost as if Todd Phillips is punishing the studios, the general audience, and himself for being forced to make a sequel, along with making sure that we NEVER get another film set in this universe again. And we all end up worst for it!
I’ll give Mr. Phillips credit though. For as divisive as the first Joker film was, he managed to make a sequel that is basically universally hated, bringing both critics AND audiences together to dunk on his latest trash heap. And considering we are a month away from the most controversial election in America’s history, one that will likely lead us to a war of some kind regardless of who wins, that is most impressive.
I never in a million years would imagine that it would be Joker 2 of all things that brings everyone together before the inevitable arises. That might just be the greatest joke of all.
Other comments:
- I was originally gonna give this one out of four stars but considering that is the ranking Todd Phillips would want me to give it, I’m going with one and a half out of four stars instead. Take that, Mr. Phillips!
- Also, it’s obvious that Mr. Phillips didn’t do his historic research. The death penalty wasn’t reinstated in New York until 1995. This movie takes place in 1983!
- I would certainly love to watch this film side-by-side with Martin Scorsese!
- This film has a sex scene so awkward and forced that even Zack Snyder would cringe watching it.
- This film and Megalopolis sure would make for a perfect back-to-back double feature! Two absolute disaster pieces made by directors who clearly got to make the films they wanted but it’s still complete and utter shit! I guess some folks do in fact need some restraint from studios!
- If you want to see a recent DC project involving a well known Batman villain, just watch The Penguin! It does EVERYTHING that these Joker films try to do a million times better!
- I plan to do a spoiler post about the ending of the film in the next few days.
- Also, there’s literally a moment where the Arkham guards rape Arthur! I’m not even joking!





























































































































